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        I will begin to construct this page without all the notes I have taken from listening to Ken Gypson lecture about it all the Saratoga Auto Museum lost race tracks conferences. It is obvious that the little track hidden out in the woods near Snyders Corners in the Troy, New York region is held very dearly by people in the Empire State racing community because no track has gotten the attention at the lost race track conferences that the Pine Bowl has.

        While the Pine Bowl was neither in Vermont it was once promoted by Ed Ryan, who had also run Stateline Speedway for a while. Several drivers who raced there regularly or one several occasions did also appear at various Vermont tracks - Stateline and Fairmont being the most likely. Also, Pine Bowl's close proximity to Vermont gives me more reason to include it in the site.

        When time allows, this information will increase. In the meantime, enjoy the visuals.


Courtesy of Ken Gypson

An early feature start at the Pine Bowl. 87 [inside row 2] is Doug Mead; behind him is V2, Don Gardner; Sayles Casey is somewhere in there with the Von Fricken RU21; 13 was id'd as Doug Messena [I think it is Joe Messina]; Don Patten is 95; and George Welch in the Brush Radio 27 is at the rear of the field. [Information from a caption in a Ken Gypson article, Eastern Hot Rodder Magazine]


NESCOT Photo Collection
Al Poole, Athens, NY

 


Cavalcade Photo
Dick Hansen,
Red Hook, NY

 

Pettit Collection
Link Pettit,
Schenectady, NY

 

Pettit Collection
Link Pettit,
with Pinky the Clown

 

Gypson Collection
Sayles Casey,
Troy, NY
One of the first to drive
several legendary cars,
including the John Von
Vricken RU21. Note that
Von Vricken is mentioned
in the drivers' roster, too.
 



Courtesy of Phil Miller
Vinnie Becker,
Red Hook
,
 NY

 
AMEX Website Photo
Pine Bowl action: The 67 of Burl Jay [now onwed by Ken Gypson] in support class action.

AMEX Website Photo
Pine Bowl action: V, Stan
Disbrow; 28, Lee Bertrand;
and 1,may be Ernie Martin.

AMEX Website Photo
Pine Bowl action: 00,
Pete Winnie, Schenectady, NY
 
 Photo Source Unknown
Whatever class this might have  been, it is possibly D.C. Coville -
CD's father.
 
Courtesy of Dan Ody
 Lee Bertrand, [28]
Alb
any
, NY  
 
Courtesy of Dan Ody
 Jerry Bullinger, [V6]
Albany
 
Courtesy of Dan Ody
Joe Wunderlich, [14]
West Sand Lake
 
Courtesy of Dan Ody's 8MM
Old Speedways DVD
 Al Poole,
Athens, NY

Courtesy of Dan Ody
Car on inside may be
Black13, Lee Palmer

Link Pettit Collection
Link Pettit,
Schenectady
The famous Brush Radio 27.
Jim Brush also worked as
a Pine Bowl Official.


Photo Source - Joe Grossetti


Probably Property of Ken Gypson

 


Courtesy of Roger Liller
Al Poole, from Athens, returns the checkers after a popular win.

 


Courtesy of Ronnie Caisse Hunt
RCH id's this as a Pine Bowl car. I think it's a Hunt family car.

Courtesy of Edward B. Brown III
Remember the slurred vooice over the intercom on TV ? "Thish ish Carleton, yer doorman." ? Well, this is Carlton, yer friendly Milk man. The great Carlton Hughes.

Courtesy of Roger Liller
Chuck Irving drove the Walt Parks 5 at Pine Bowl.

Ed Ryan Collection Courtesy of Roger Liller
Dick Hansen pulls into the pits with his potent
Mopar coupe.

Henry Ahlfs Photo Courtesy of Roger Liller
If I have this right, this is Doll MacIntyre, a rare female driver in that era.
 
Irv Conron Photo Courtesy of Bruce Brockett
This is Ed Brockett at Whites Beach. Great graphics !
He may well have also run some at Pine Bowl.
 
Howie Westervelt [and passenger] in what might be an early Wright / Zautner car.
 
Bob McDowell Photo Courtesy of Roger Liller
Catskill's Jerry Townley with what is said to be a car owned by photographer Bob McDowell. Below - Townely being a little rough on the McDowell car.
 
Courtesy of Roger Liller
Joe Messina had a bad day with this
Oldsmobile sedan.
 
Courtesy of Roger Liller
Joe Messina must have had a tour in the Connecticut - based Godio 12 - much to the delight of this young fan.
 
Courtesy of Roger Liller
I wonder if McDowell had to take this one, too.

 


Ken Gypson Collection
A 1954 or 1955 Program. Shows Bob Hickey or Vinnie Becker flipping. Below- It appears to be a shot of the beginning of this mess.


Ken Gypson Collection

CRASH SEQUENCES

1

 
Bob McDowell Photo Series Courtesy of  Roger Liller
Dick Whell [2] begins to roll, as Mike
Coffie [black car] is sucked into the mess.
 
Mike Coffie [9] begins to roll, as Dick
Whell is now fully involved and car RR gets by on the inside.

 
Somebody else squeaks by.
 
Whell and  Coffie continue to entertain the fans.

 

   2 

 
Dan Ody Photo Series Courtesy of  Roger Liller
A car in turn three begins to roll, as cars look for room.
 
The car takes a high
leap in the roll.

 
The car rights itself as some
of the avoiders are bunched
up nearby.
 
People are now running to the car.
      


Courtesy of Roger Liller
Joe Messina had a
turn in Bob Hackel's 77, succeeding
Lee Palmer. Until I did this page,. I only knew of Messina with Hudsons and Tremont cars.

Courtesy of John Middleton
John M
iddleton with a good - looking Pine Bowl car.

Courtesy of John Middleton
'Nuther Middleton car.
 
Joe Messina Photo Collection Courtesy of Roger Liller
Lee Palmer.

Palmer Family Photo Collection Courtesy of Cindy Palmer
Jolly Ollie, brother of Lee Palmer.
Taken in Pine Bowl pits.

Ed Ryan Photo Collection Courtesy of Roger Liller
A 1962 lineup with labeling.
 
Dan Ody Photo Collection Courtesy of Bob  Miller
Pine Bowl action. 17 could be Al Poole [or maybe there
actual was an Al Ostrander.
 
Judson Family Photo Collection Courtesy of Peter Judson
Lou Judson.

 Courtesy of Roger Lillder
Dick Hansen
motors away as who I think is
Bob Schreiner climbs the bank.
 
 
Dan Ody Photo Collection Courtesy of Bob  Miller
A car 13 finds itself off the Pine Bowl
track.
 
Dan Ody Photo Collection Courtesy of Bob  Miller
For some unexplained reason, drivers in that era used to
like to pose with their wrecked cars.
 South Family Photo Collection Courtesy of Martin South
Seemingly, two Pine Bowl photos mixed up.
The color one is Stub South. The other shows a wreck
that included #7-11, which I have a photo of but cannot find.

The various program pages I have been lucky enough to copy show several names that tell various stories.
IF YOU CLICK ON SOME OF THESE NAMES IT WILL LINK TO THEIR PHOTO

 

 


Irv Conron Photo
Ernie Martin,
Grooms Corners
,NY

A Whites Beach Champ

Proctor Family Photo
George Proctor,
Cohoes,NY

Over the years, variously
listed from Crescent and
Waterford as well.

Courtesy of Ken Gypson
Jollie Ollie Palmer,
Westmere, NY

Ollie drove this, plus
his own J-O, the #333,
and the Fowler 27Jr.

NE Vintage Racing Site
Buddy Krebs,
Suffield, CT


 

Courtesy of Ken Gypson
Sayles Casey,
Troy
, NY

One of the first to drive
several legendary cars,
including the John Von
Vricken
RU21.

Courtesy of Dan Ody
Joe Messina,
Albany
, NY

Joe's own car. He also drove
a number of cars, including the
Green 3 and 1/7 and Tremont
115's.

 

Hackel Collection
 Lee Palmer,
Albany, NY

 One of his first cars.

Source Unknown
 Pete Winnie,
Schenectady
, NY

 00

McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Ken Gypson

Stan Disbrow,
Poughkeepsie
,NY

McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Ken Gypson
Joe Wunderlich,
West Sand Lake, NY

McDowell Photo
Chuck Irving,
New Baltimore
, NY

Dick MillsPhoto
Gene Bergin,
Hartford, CT


 
 
Sam Barlow Collection
Jack Sleicher,
Troy, NY

Courtesy of Dan Ody
's 8MM
Old Speedways DVD
Al Poole,
Athens, NY


I think this is "Al Schoonmaker".

McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Ken Gypson
Al Ostrander,
Shokan
, NY

Courtesy of Ken Gypson
Bud Williams,
Hudson, NY

Ken Gypson Collection
Mike Ehring,
Troy, NY

Ken Gypson Collection
Clyde Smith,
Mt. Tremper, NY
 

 
Courtesy of  Dan Ody
John Knighton



Ken Gypson Collection
Burl Jay,
NY

Also said to be Gordon Film's car.

Ken Gypson Collection
Kenny Goodermotte,
Averill Park, NY
That's Stubby South in
the background with S-7

 
 
McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Phil Miller
Bud Williams,
Hudson, NY
 
Eastern Hot Rodders Mag
via Joe Grossetti
Al Egnert

McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Phil Miller
Bob Hickey, [11]
Kinderhook
, NY

Courtesy of Ken Gypson
Charlie Yakman, [1]
Hudson, NY

McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Phil Miller
Stub South,

Courtesy of Ken Gypson
Henry Akner [Maybe]
Poestenkill
, NY
 
McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Phil Miller

 Pete Winnie,
Schenectady

105

Courtesy of Dan Ody
 Jerry Bullinger, [V6]
Albany


14 could be Wunderlich; 4
is likely Ollie Palmer

Courtesy of Dan Ody
Car on inside may be
Black13, Lee Palmer.
   

Button Text


Courtesy of Ken Gypson
Sayles Casey, [RU21]
Troy, NY


 
 
Courtesy of Stuart Brantigan
via Sam Barlow

Al Ristau,
Albany, NY

Link Pettit Collection
Ollie Palmer,
Westmere, NY

Bill Fowler drove the
car first, and then handed
it over to Palmer.

Ladabouche Collection
Pete Peterson
Albany
, NY

One of Pete's cars.

Arnie Ainsworth Photo
Stretch Van Steenberg, [38]
Saugerties, NY


 

McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Phil Miller
Walt Reese,
Hudson, NY

Biitig Collection
Frank Blum,
New Milford, CT

Could be him
Taken at Fonda_
in the 1950's
Also could be Johnny
Miller.

 
 
Courtesy of Eastern Hot Rodder Magazine
via Joe Grossetti

Tony Servo, [95]
Schenectady, NY

Courtesy of Russ Blake
Merwin Hommel,
Saugerties, NY

 
McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Ken Gypson

Don Gutbrodt,
Troy, NY

McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Ken Gypson
LaVerne Irving,
North Baltimore, NY


Courtesy of Link Pettit Collection
Joe Wunderlich, [37]
West Sand Lake, NY



Ladabouche Collection
Pete Peterson
Albany, NY

One of Pete's kids maybe.

McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Phil Miller
Bill Therrien,
Selkirk, NY

McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Phil Miller
Frank Covel,
Cohoes, NY


Different Car
 
Courtesy of Bob Barber
Al Green,
Albany, NY

Car is actually 3 1/7 and either Al is the driver or maybe a brother, Art is driving.
 
McDowell Photo
Courtesy of Phil Miller
Buck Rowe,
South Bethlehem

 
Courtesy of Eastern Hot Rodder Magazine
via Joe Grossetti

Philip Shooski, [87]
Saugerties, NY


 
George T. Morgan Photo Courtesy of Roger Liller
A Pete Winnie car that gives evidence this
was still in the dirt surface era.
 
Joe Messina Photo Collection Courtesy of Roger Liller
A car Bob Devine often drove, with a young fan.
 
Bob McDowell Photo  Courtesy of Martin South
Tom McGrath, neighbor and friend of the great Billy Boo -from Pawling, NY.
 
Ed Ryan Photo Collection Courtesy of Roger Liller
Stretch Van Steenberg is cropped up in front
of Dennis Prosper [55] and Mark Mattice [99].

  Courtesy of Arnie Ainsworth
Everett Kneer, 1965 win.
 

  Courtesy of Arnie Ainsworth
A hobby class car with wild exhaust pipes. A
Jon Van Vricken car is seen in the background.
 

 
  Courtesy of Arnie Ainsworth
Probably Charlie Centenaro.
 
 
Courtesy of Arnie Ainsworth
Jocko Mutterer with the 10 late model that eventually was run at Malta by Tommy Corellis.
  

Courtesy of Arnie Ainsworth
An very early version of the soon - to - be - legendary 5Xjr sedans. 
 
Courtesy of Arnie Ainsworth
An early Ernie Albright car at Pine Bowl. It was a forerunner to those familiar #834's to come later.
  
 
Courtesy of Arnie Ainsworth
Another Everett Kneer Pine Bowl car.
  
 
Irv Conron Photo Courtesy of Don Gowie
Link Pettit, in the Von Vricken RU21
losing a wheel.
  


Courtesy of Arnie Ainsworth
Howie Westervelt leads Stretch Van Steenberg.


Link Pettit Collection
Action shot of a feature start. We need help with who these cars are.

 


AMEC Website Photo
Pete Winnie T-bones a five window Ford coupe as the car 66 looks for room. This also might be Route 66 Speedway.

 
Illustrated Speedway News Photo Courtesy of Roger Liller
MIdgets at Pine Bowl. 

Courtesy of Roger Liller
MIdgets at Pine Bowl. 

Courtesy of Roger Liller
Here's an unidentifed car in  later years.
 

DAN ODY'S X-47 PROJECT

           


Courtesy of Dan Ody
Here's the car parked
behind some apartment
buildings, maybe in Troy.

Courtesy of Dan Ody
Here's the car on the
track, from the
infield.

Courtesy of Dan Ody
Here's the car winning its only race in 1964.

Courtesy of Dan Ody
Here's the car all those years later.

Courtesy of Dan Ody
A good shot on
the Pine Bowl track.
 

 


Eastern Hot Rodder Magazine   Courtesy of Joe Grossetti
The X-47 [left] has just missed a rolling Len Miron in this shot. It was good advertising for Len, though.

 


Ladabouche Photo
Ken Gypson had the Pine Bowl flagger's set at the Saratoga Museum.

 


Ladabouche Photo Ken Gypson Collection

PINE BOWL ACTION FROM DAN ODY'S 8 MM OLD SPEEDWAYS DVD'S


From Dan Ody's 8MM
 Old Speedways DVD's
An early version of Joe Messina's 13.
 
From Dan Ody's 8MM
 Old Speedways DVD's
Jerry Bullinger V6,
and Ollie Palmer 4Jr..
 
From Dan Ody's 8MM
 Old Speedways DVD's
Ollie Palmer in 4Jr..
 
From Dan Ody's 8MM
 Old Speedways DVD's
Said to be George Proctor
in the C1.

 
From Dan Ody's 8MM
 Old Speedways DVD's
Messina leads George Proctor
in the C1.
 
From Dan Ody's 8MM
 Old Speedways DVD's
Backstretch action.
 
From Dan Ody's 8MM
 Old Speedways DVD's
Action with the Brush
Radio 27 [far right].
 
From Dan Ody's 8MM
 Old Speedways DVD's
Dick Hansen trails the field
in the 91. That won't last long.
 
From Dan Ody's 8MM
 Old Speedways DVD's
Backstretch action.
 
From Dan Ody's 8MM
 Old Speedways DVD's
Backstretch action
with Joe Messina in pursuit.

 
Ed Ryan Photo Collection via Roger Liller
Perrennial star Joe Messina, in the Stoles 41, with flagger Rogerson and promoter Ed Ryan.


Courtesy of John Gallant
Here's an unidentifed car in  later years.
 


Clip Art by Go Graph.Com


Dan Ody Collection  Courtesy of Bob Miller
Dusty and dangerous action as the virtually
safety - free roadsters race at Pine Bowl
before the advent of stock cars.
 

Dan Ody Collection  Courtesy of Bob Miller
Recognize this helmetless roadster dare devil ?
It's Howie Westervelt, who started in these things.

Dan Ody Collection  Courtesy of Bob Miller
A roadster finishes a race. Check out the weird
track wrecker truck.

Dan Ody Collection  Courtesy of Bob Miller
We got one here gettin' het up !

Dan Ody Collection  Courtesy of Bob Miller
Westervelt leads out of four.

Dan Ody Collection  Courtesy of Bob Miller
Howie Westervelt sits in his car at right, in front
of a roadster that looks more like a sprint car.
 
Dan Ody Collection  Courtesy of Bob Miller
Pine Bowl beats Uber by 68 years as it
features this driverless car.
 

SOME TRACK LAYOUT AND FACILITY SHOTS


Courtesy of George Backstretch Hunt
Pine Bowl turns one and two as seen from
part of the spectator area.

Courtesy of George Backstretch Hunt
Pine Bowl turn three as seen from
part of the spectator area.


Courtesy of Dan Ody
Pine Bowl concession stand and apparent crew.
 
Courtesy of Dan Ody
The lovely ladies of the Pine Bowl beer stand.
 
Courtesy of Dan Ody
More of of the Pine Bowl views.

 
Courtesy of Dan Ody
Early  Pine Bowl sign. [The later ones
probably weren't much better].
Courtesy of Roger Liller
Pine Bowl
track novelty stand. 

Courtesy of Joe Grossetti
A look at a lot of the track from the turn one
hillside seating.
 

 Courtesy of Roger Liller
1958 "Jimmy Bellinger Race". Very blurry.
 
 
Courtesy of Roger Liller
Post race crowd milling around in the infield. Looks like the 00 of Pete Winnie.
 Courtesy of Dan Ody
Old bleachers shot. 

Courtesy of Dan Ody
A good shot of the rather limited pit area. 

 
Courtesy of Roger Liller
Post race crowd milling around in the infield. An unlucky car 37 being towed away.

Courtesy of Hemmings Motor News
A good look at the vantage the crowd had in this
particular location. 4 is likely Carl Fink or Ollie Palmer; 57 Bill Therrien.
 
 
Courtesy of Joe Grossetti
These kids watch a car lift the inside front
wheel from their hillside seating.
 

Courtesy of Hemmings Motor News
Somebody kinda got off the paved surface in turn four.

Courtesy of Roger Liller
A good look at the Victory Lane area and this
trophy presentation to an unknown winner.
 

Courtesy of Roger Liller
A novelty stand. I love the clothing styles.


Link Pettit Photo Collection Courtesy of Link Pettit
Late 1950's points champs. From left: Doug Garrison. George Welch, UNK, UNK, Carl Fink,
UNK, UNK, and Link Pettit [who looks to be 12, at least].


Courtesy of R. E. Webb
Bill Webb with a Pine Bowl entry, in an
early lineup
. 

Courtesy of R.E. Webb
A Bowl win for Bill Webb. 

 Possible Bob McDowell Photo Courtesy of R..E. Webb
Bill Webb posed shot.
 
     

SOME TRACK AERIAL AND VESTIGES SHOTS


Courtesy of Historic Aerials.com
Pine Bowl remains, as seen in 2008.

Unknown Photobucket Source
A similar view, farther up.


Courtesy of Historic Aerials.com

Pine Bowl aerial from 1952.


Courtesy of Todd Moses
Dirt bikes ride around Pine Bowl remains, as seen in 2012. [Probably just before they got shot at or something]

Courtesy of Todd Moses
Dirt bikes ride around Pine Bowl remains, as seen in 2012. [Probably just before they got shot at or something]

Courtesy of Todd Moses
Dirt bikes ride around Pine Bowl remains, as seen in 2012. [Probably just before they got shot at or something]

 

 
 Courtesy of Roger Liller
A Fred Tippin car. 

Courtesy of Roger Liller
Joe Messina [in car] and friends building one of his
cars right in Troy, NY.
 


Probably Courtesy of Roger Liller
Joe Messina [left] at Pine Bowl pits.
 

Courtesy of Ken Gypson
Pete Peterson wrecks the P33.
 

Proctor Family Photo
George Proctor's Country Dollar C1, a Pine Bowl car
he shared with another driver.


Courtesy of Sam Barlow
Jack Sleicher, in 1955.
 

Courtesy of Dave Dykes
Billy Greco with a Sharkey Gaudiosi 44.
 
Bill seems to have an unusual spoiler on the back.


Courtesy of Sam Barlow
Jack Sleicher, in a different car 8, avoids a
spinning car 14.
 

Courtesy of Sam Barlow
Somebody in the Sharkey Gaudiosi car 44
enjoying a victory lap without Seymour in back.
 

Courtesy of Sam Barlow
Gaudiosi car 4, said to be arriving at Pine Bowl.
 

Courtesy of Joe Grossetti via Sam Barlow
The Harvey 62Jr, with Ken Goodermotte. 

Atr Work Done by and Courtesy of Sam Barlow
Sam Barlow captures many of the Pine Bowl's
most inconic cars in this great drawing.
 


John Gallant Photovia Joe Grossetti
Ted Baldwin [47] avoids a rolling Jack Middleton
.

DERN MURRAY PHOTOS
They Seem to Focus Around a Support Division Car 19 Jr.


All Photos Courtesy of Dern Murray
What you can't see here is the 19Jr
being rammed by car 30.


The 19Jr chases the 5Xjr of
Mike Ehring as John Ody
[07] spins into the infield.

The 19Jr still chases the 5Xjr of
Mike Ehring as all hell breaks out
in the infield.

The 19Jr on one of its
many sojourns off the
Pine Bowl racing surface.

The driver of the 19Jr appears to be having a conversation with the wary flagger.

The 19Jr  spins into the infield
with #67.


The 19Jr seems to like the infield.

The 19Jr  spins into the infield
with #90.

This might actually be before
the previous shot. Looks like
19Jr and 90.

The 19Jr  swerves to avoid
car 1. Others include John
Ody's 07 and Plainfield [CT}
Stadium regular Don Spanzano
in the $.

Pretty much the same cars, having left the 19Jr in avoidance mode.
 
The 19Jr  [right] and an
apparent team car #59.
Looks like they are at home.


From PANDA23 Public Access
Carleton Hughes "The Friendly Milk Man". I had a nice conversation with him in September 0f 2019;

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